Wanna Bet?

I have had people ask me if they think there is a possibility that we are in the midst of Daniel’s 70th week. For those of you who don’t know end times lingo, that means the final seven years of this age before Christ returns. I have also had people tell me that they know we are in the midst of Daniel’s 70th week. One of these was about 7 years ago. At the time, I asked the person if they wanted to make a friendly wager. I said that we were not in Daniel’s 70th week and that I was willing to bet them. I said that the terms of the bet would be this: if I am correct, you must drive to my state and town and take me out for a dinner of my choosing, but if you are correct, I will drive to your town and take you out for dinner to a place of your choosing. After some back and forth, the person declined the wager. I really wish they would have bet because I had my heart set on a taco pizza.

This post is for those of you who hypothesize about when the return of Christ may occur. Firstly, I don’t believe we are to spend endless hours speculating about Christ’s return. Christ gave us some commands and they don’t include analyzing every detail of the news each night to see if Christ might return before the sun comes up. However, Christ did tell us to watch for His return. At the end portion of Mark’s version of the Olivet Discourse, Christ gives us the clear command to learn the lesson from the fig tree. When you see the leaves, you know that summer is near. Then Christ tells us all to watch. Mark 13:37, “And what I say to you I say to all, WATCH!”

Let me get into the scriptural reasons why we are not yet in Daniel’s 70th week. Daniel 7 is one huge reason that I refuse to budge on. The fourth beast in Daniel’s vision devours the previous three. Note that the first three beasts have ran their course in the order of Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece. This fourth beast, terrifying and dreadful as it is, has ten horns. These ten horns represent ten kings. As these ten horns are seen all at the same time on this beast, there is a little horn that comes up among the ten. The little horn subdues, humbles, brings down, and roots up three of the horns. The three horns fall prostrate before the little horn. It is only after this little horn rises up amongst the ten that the final events at the end of the age come to pass.

The parallels between the little horn of Daniel 7, and the actions of the ten horned beast of Revelation 13 are almost exact. Consider some of these congruous phrases:

*A mouth speaking great things, Daniel 7:8, 20.

*The beast was given a mouth uttering blasphemy, Revelation 13:5.

**He shall speak words against the Most High, Daniel 7:25.

**It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, Revelation 13:6.

***Made war with the saints and prevailed over them, Daniel 7:21.

***It was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them, Revelation 13:7

****The saints will be given into his hand for time, times, and half a time, Daniel 7:25.

****It was allowed to exercise authority for 42 months, Revelation 13:5.

(Note that time, times and half a time is explained as 3 ½ years, see Revelation 12:6, 14.)

It seems that the little horn of Daniel 7 is a king that will take control of the whole beast, meaning the whole empire. Now follow me here. The beast with ten horns appears, takes authority over the earth, then the little horn rises up amongst the ten horns. Note how Daniel 7:24 gives the clear order.

24 As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise, and another shall arise after them; he shall be different from the former ones, and shall put down three kings.

The meaning is obvious. Ten kings will rule within this empire, all at the same time. But one king will rise up among them and take authority over the entire empire. In doing so, he will subdue three of the ten kings. Only after the ten kings have risen to power within this empire can the final antichrist figure appear and make war against the saints. Revelation 17:12-13 explains that the ten horns hand their authority over to the beast.

Here is what I see on the forecast for the future. Within the bounds of the old Roman Empire, there will form a confederacy of ten nations. The old Roman Empire was basically the shores of the Mediterranean Sea, which this is the great sea upon which the four beasts strove for authority, see Daniel 7:2-3. It extended from Italy, into Asia Minor, into the Middle East, and even into northern Africa. Many prophecy scholars are focused on Europe and the recent congelation of the European Union. This may be significant, then again, maybe not. Given that the last Reich that formed in Europe during WWII was very antichrist, there may be something to this. But we must look for what scripture has revealed, and that is an empire ruling the earth in the form of ten kingdoms. See this link for a great map of the different empires that have ruled over the Middle East.

Some suggest that secret deals have been made and that perhaps the ten nations are already controlling the earth somehow. I really doubt that God’s Word would have left the church playing guessing games. The truth will be plain to see since God has promised that we will not be in darkness about the unfolding of these events, see I Thessalonians 5:1-11. Remember how many didn’t understand the first coming of Christ? Was it due to the fact that they didn’t know what signs would occur? No, it was because their hearts were hardened in the face of every foretold sign and miracle that did occur. No wonder Jesus praised His heavenly Father with these words, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.” I have a feeling that the end times will unfold in just that way. The ten nation alliance will appear before the entire world, and much of the church (organization) will be in denial. True believers will have understanding, though, just like the twelve disciples that Jesus likened to little children. It will not be something hidden in a corner, it will be quite public and visible for all to see.

Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13

-The Orange Mailman

P.S. That bet is still open. I wish I could get some takers. I’d love to be treated for dinner to a taco pizza.

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9 Responses to Wanna Bet?

  1. Kathy Hall says:

    This seems so clear…thanks, Darrin.

  2. Karin Koontz says:

    I am Kathy Hall’s twin sister and I’m learning so much from you. THANK YOU!

  3. Well hello Karin. Your comments are almost identical as well. (which isn’t a bad thing at all)

    Seriously though, thank you. It is nice to have you aboard.

    Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13

    -The Orange Mailman

  4. Tim Arsenault says:

    Kathy Hall introduced me to you some time back and has sent me clips on several occasions. I am not the best at computers but have thoroughly enjoyed your insites. Please keep them coming and thank you for your clarity of thought and great exegesis. Fellow Prewrather, Tim

  5. Tim Arsenault says:

    Nice presentation with simplicity and clarity. How do you correlate this with Rev. 17:7-13? Who are these former kingdoms, is, and yet to come? Have you written on this yet? Thanks, TA

    • Hey Tim-

      I view the ten kings as individual leaders, or perhaps as representing countries/nations. The heads are more along the lines of empires, or confederations of nations. They can be headed up by an individual, but this individual represents more than just one country, but the empire as a whole. So in looking at heads and horns, we see that several horns can be on one head, just like in Daniel 7 and 8.

      The seven heads are more along the lines of empires rather than kings. The five that have fallen are five empire and I agree with Van Kampen on this one. Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece. The one that “is” is Rome. The one to come is where I disagree with Van Kampen. I believe it is the future Roman Empire consisting of the ten kings. Then the eighth is the Roman Empire after the ten kings have given their authority to the antichrist. So I don’t buy into the whole Third Reich as playing a factor in this.

      I probably have written on this somewhere, but my old blog is a pain to find anything. And I lost all my old backed up files when my computer crashed this past January.

      Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13

      -The Orange Mailman

      • Tim Arsenault says:

        Thanks. This note does not necessary continue this coversation. I’m reading Revelation and have passed through many of the judgments on into the judgment of the the Harlot and Babylon. How consecutive do you perceive the book of Revelation to be as far as sequenece of events, are they layed out in the order stated (is that redundant?)? Where I’m going with this is the “Marriage supper of the Lamb.” He states it right after the condemnation of Babylon. Then follows the “hallelujahs” of the multitude, and then the marriage is announced and Christ is then seen coming on the clouds. Pretrib, of course, wants to have us in heaven participating in the marriage long before it’s announced here in Rev. 19… I need to go refresh my memory as to how Van Kampen orders this. But it is a conundrum for me as to where does the marriage take place as far as timing before the Millenium and are we in heaven translated there or are we on earth having followed Him in His descent to earth? What kind of time-span are we looking at for this marriage?What’s your thoughts? Thanks. TA

      • Hey Tim-

        Conundrum is a good word. As far as sequence, it’s very easy in my mind to conceive, but it’s very difficult to explain let alone debate with people who are persuaded otherwise. So here is my attempt to make it plain.

        There are sequences in Revelation. They are clearly identified, such as one, two, three, or better yet, first, second third. But then there are other portions that are meant to explain the one, two, three, that can be considered overview, or poetic recapitulation, or perhaps there’s some other term that would be even better. When we come to the seventh bowl, we’ve come to an end of sorts. “It is finished” is what it says. But it’s really not finished because John sees more, or better yet, is shown more by the angel. These are visions which are meant to explain things that he had already seen. He already saw the chronology that these things would happen in (first trumpet, second trumpet, third trumpet); now he is being shown more information.

        These visions in 17-22 are hard to understand as far as chronology, unless we take this approach. The great prostitute for example, John had already seen her destruction at the seventh bowl. However, he had no idea what that meant exactly. He needs more information to be able to understand the destruction of this city. With the marriage supper, there are chronological indicators that show where this happens, but we need to pay close attention.

        When we see the passage in Rev. 19:6-9, we don’t really see a bride, we hear people singing about a bride. They are singing that the bride has made herself ready. She’s not married yet, she’s getting ready to be married. The marriage supper has not yet begun, only a statement that those who are invited are blessed. You with me so far?

        Then in Revelation 21:1-4, we see the bride coming down from heaven to earth to meet her new husband. This is the marriage of the bride. She is now with the Lamb wherever He goes. This is the ongoing millennial marriage supper to which the nations will be invited. If you notice in 21-22, there are other indicators which show that other nations will begin to walk in the light of the holy city (the bride of Christ). This city is our dwelling place, but it’s also identified with the people themselves. I could see us following Christ as the armies of heaven at Armageddon, and then the city as our dwelling place descending later. It doesn’t really hang me up a whole lot.

        That’s about as simple as I can make it. You’ll have to study and see if you see what I see. You see? Kathy will tell you it’s sort of like a shazaam!

        Have fun and stay busy – Luke 19:13

        -The Orange Mailman

        P.S. Thanks for the ?, I really enjoy the dialogue.

  6. Kirk Schrank says:

    The ten kingdoms of the last days are listed in scripture:

    Psalms 83:1-5 O God, keep not thou silence: Hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, your enemies make a tumult; And they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They take crafty counsel against your people, And consult together against your hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; That the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent; Against you do they make a covenant:

    Psalms 83:6-12 The tents of Edom (Jordan) and the Ishmaelite (Media, Iraq); Moab (southwest Jordan), and the Hagarenes; Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; Philistia (Palestinians) with the inhabitants of Tyre (Lebanon): Assyria (Syria) also is joined with them; They have helped the children of Lot.

    The three kingdoms overtaken by the beast have a remnant saved:

    Daniel 11:41. He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

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